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Offline Colleen2510

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Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« on: Dec 20 2007 - 07:57AM »
What do you guys think about this big orb looking thing? I have always thought that this was an orb anytime I have seen one that looks like this.  Especially if it was this big.  I was taught many years ago that this is what an energy orb would look like. Now lately .....on other sites educating about orbs they say that orbs should be solid like.  Give me your opinions. What do you think?


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Re: Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« Reply #1 on: Dec 20 2007 - 03:48PM »
I dunno kn  I'm not a good one to answer this as I am still learning so much on the subject.  But it is a neat photo =D>
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Re: Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« Reply #2 on: Dec 22 2007 - 09:52AM »
I dunno kn  I'm not a good one to answer this as I am still learning so much on the subject.  But it is a neat photo =D>

Same here, but it is interesting and it is the only one in the picture (which would make me think that it is not dust or pollen). But, I am not expert.  That is why I am here to learn from you guys.   bo  bo  bo  bo

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Re: Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« Reply #3 on: Dec 22 2007 - 01:24PM »
Ok, I did hours of research again today on Orb's on dozens of sites.  All of them for the most part say that over 98% of Orb's are environmental Orb's (dust, moisture, rain, bugs).  However there are a small present of real one's too, I'm not 100% sure of Colleens though.........It doesn't have the characteristics of the obvious environmental Orb, like the  diffraction rings or the corona effect. 

Here is more info and pictures I found on Orb's, including some supposed real Orb pictures......... Qu


Generally speaking, if you see diffraction rings in an orb, it is definitely dust as this phenomena occurs (in a photographic sense) only in very small and microscopic objects.
There are other signs to look for as well.
A corona is produced by diffraction of light by small particles. Every point on the illuminated surface is a source of scattered outgoing spherical waves ( Huygens-Fresnel Principle ).
Scattering from only two points is shown on the diagram. Along the central axis, the incident light direction, the crests of the two scattered waves always coincide to form a region where the light is strong.
Moving away from the axis, there is a direction where the crests again coincide to give beams of enhanced brightness at an angle to the incident light. In between there is a region where crests of one wave coincide with those of opposite amplitude of the other. The two waves cancel and there is darkness in those directions.

Real Orbs Pictures?
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There is a another coincidence of wave crests at a larger angle and the light intensity is again enhanced. With increasing angular distance from the axis there are alternating bright and dark regions, a diffraction pattern.
 

In reality, light is scattered from all around the particle periphery and other low intensity waves arise from reflection and transmission through the particle. The net wave amplitude at any point is the sum of the amplitude vectors, not intensities, of all the individual waves. The result is a very bright central region surrounded by less bright rings, a corona.

Corona formation, to a good approximation, needs no knowledge of the particle's interior because the surface scattered waves predominate. It could be water, ink or coal - the pattern is almost the same. It depends primarily on the particle's size, shape and the wavelength of the light.

There is no need for the particle to be transparent nor even spherical. Small ice crystals, pollen grains and large dust particles all form corona. A white light corona is the sum of all the corona contributions from each spectral color.
Usually there will be more than one dust orbs in the photos, and you get them most of the time at the location. Note that dust orbs are more likely to show up in a large number when you disturb the environment, such as when you just step into an empty room. You can analyze this effect in an image editing program by simply increasing the brightness of the photo.

Fake Orb Pictures, diffraction rings & the corona effect.

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Some photographs show geometric shapes, such as diamonds and octagon . This is caused by a lens curvature error known as "Coma", cameras with very small lenses and short focal lengths (such as digital cameras) are more prone to coma than other cameras with longer focal length lenses, such as SLR cameras. When an object with a similar shape as the aperture of the camera lens is brought out-of-focus, the object will begin to take the shape of the aperture. In other words, if the aperture of the camera is an octagon, an out-of-focus dust orb will begin to take the shape of an octagon, particularly towards the center of the image.

The other 2% of "orb" photos.

There are roughly 2% of "orb" photos that cannot be explained. These photos either have an orb obscured by another object (showing that it is in focus) or show a definite change of movement and they are unidentifiable by all of the categories and techniques listed above. However a lack of data does not necessary prove that unidentifiable orbs are ghosts.



 

RAIN ORBS   [float=right][/float]
Just a raindrop, illuminated by the camera's flash.  Often, these type "orbs" appear to be going upwards in direction; this is a dead giveaway for rain and/or snow in most cases'. But don't be fooled, it's nothing supernatural.

So, if tailed orbs are raindrops, why do the tails usually go down instead of up? And why isn't the camera flash, which typically only takes a thousandth of a second, fast enough to freeze the movement of falling raindrops?

Rain typically falls at 0.5 cm in one thousandth of a second (though it varies a lot). This is ample to show up as a trail when the drop is inside the orb zone, just a few cm from the camera lens. Though the tails go downwards, it is usually at a diagonal because of the wind which easily deflects rain.

So why do the tails fade away downwards? This is because the photo uses a full flash discharge. When a subject is too far away to illuminate, the flash goes on for a longer time than usual and fades away gradually. It also takes longer, allowing the raindrop to fall further while illuminated and show producing a tail.







Ok there you go, Orb's explained again.........I hope this helps all you ghost hunters out there.  Orb's are such a touchy subject, you just don't know what to say or do with them.  However remember all the experts do agree, 2% of them are real.

Great Hunting!   :Y:
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Re: Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« Reply #4 on: Dec 23 2007 - 10:34PM »
 kn   I might not want to admit this but this is almost, ok, maybe even slightly over my head.  I have to tell you that I am NOT a stupid person. I am however Blonde. You have to explain things to me in the simplest terms available. emb If you tell me that this is the simplest terms then I will become irrate out of embarassment and look even more like a redneck as I insist that you are not being truthful and your just trying to make me look dumb!  gri    I'm joking!  But I'm not joking when I say that it is a little hard to follow for those us....um....ok ...it's hard for me to follow....ok...happy now?   BTW...I do understand though that only 2% of the orbs we see in pictures are actually inexplicable. I did get that part... :)


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Re: Orb or Not.....interested in your opinions
« Reply #5 on: Dec 23 2007 - 10:45PM »
kn   I might not want to admit this but this is almost, ok, maybe even slightly over my head.  I have to tell you that I am NOT a stupid person. I am however Blonde. You have to explain things to me in the simplest terms available. If you tell me that this is the simplest terms then I will become irrate out of embarassment and look even more like a redneck as I insist that you are not being truthful and your just trying to make me look dumb!  gri    I'm joking!  But I'm not joking when I say that it is a little hard to follow for those us....um....ok ...it's hard for me to follow....ok...happy now?


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I'm just trying to give all the information I can about Orb's so that people know what there talking about when It comes to Orb's.
That was the easer version then what I originally had, It's just there is so much false info about Orb's out there and I want our members to be the smart ones and know what there taking about.

As far as your Orb the best I can say is that It doesn't have the characteristics of the obvious environmental Orb?
Always remember.........Just because you have never seen something, does not mean that something does not exist.