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Title: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Dec 14 2007 - 06:38PM
I found this very  interesting  article on Ouija boards at About.com, by Stephen Wagner.  I thought I would post it here so everyone could read it.


The Ouija Debate, Portal to evil or harmless game?

THERE’S AN ongoing debate about the powers and realities of the Ouija board. Essentially, there are three basic positions:

    * It is inherently dangerous, can open portals to evil entities and should never be used.
    * It is only dangerous if used with evil intent, but can be a useful tool for spirit mediumship if used properly and with good intent.
    * It is inherently harmless and has no real powers of mediumship for good or evil; its effects, if any, are only psychological in nature.

Which is true? Talk to any group of people and you’ll find strong proponents for each argument. A few years ago, I conducted a survey of readers on this subject. It results showed that 65 percent of those who responded felt the Ouija was dangerous, and 35% felt it was harmless.

As expected, most religious leaders are strongly anti-Ouija. More interesting, however, is that many of the top paranormal researchers believe the Ouija to be a dangerous instrument, to be avoided at all cost.

Brad Steiger, one of the most prolific authors on matters supernatural, has consistently stated his opposition to the use or even the ownership of a Ouija board. In his article “Mothers, Don't Let Your Children Grow Up to Play with Ouija Boards,” Steiger recounts his investigation of a 17-year-old girl who began experimenting with the Ouija – with dire consequences. “She thought she had the knowledge to contact spirit entities through the board,” Steiger writes, “but unfortunately she had neglected to assume a prayerful attitude to guard against malignant influences.”

Dale Kaczmarek, founder of the Ghost Research Society, says, “I would strongly advise against the use of the Ouija, automatic writing or séances” in his article “Ouija: Not a Game.” “Most often the spirits whom are contacted through the Ouija are those whom reside on ‘the lower astral plane’.”

One of the most respected paranormal investigators or the past fifty years, Hans Holzer, adds his voice in warning against the Ouija. In the book The Ouija Board: A Doorway to the Occult, author Edmond C. Gruss quotes Holzer as saying, “Those who wish to use the Ouija board as a parlor game I advise to think twice. There is always the possibility – rare, I admit, but conceivable – that one of those playing the board is a genuine trance medium without realizing it. In such a case, the board can become an easy entrance for a disincarnate person… who might next take over the personality of the medium and manifest under conditions where no controls are possible.”

Some readers in the Forum have also had bad experiences. “I'm wondering if anybody else out there knows how dangerous Ouija boards truly are?” says toddybear007. “I had my own experiences a long time ago when I was around 13 years old. To make a long story short, I came face to face with pure evil.”

“I do believe without a doubt that Ouija boards open doors,” adds Deebliss. “The entity that we brought out actually manifested itself to my best friend’s mother….”


Ok, if used with caution

The article “Ouija, Using it Without Harm” on the PaganPath website states: “The Ouija is only as dangerous as you and/or your friends make it. The Ouija can be a useful tool for mediumship (spirit contact) but can also be a tool to tap into the subconscious minds of the users. If you begin your Ouija session with the intention of just seeing what will happen, but without letting superstitious fears scare you, you're well on your way to a fun, entertaining, and informative experience.”

Even those who say the Ouija can be used without harm often suggest performing a “cleansing” before any experiments. According to Crystalinks’ article on the board, “Some people like to say a prayer over the board – or do some other ritual.


So to paraphrase this article, 65% say evil and 45% say harmless.....but you better performing a “cleansing” before any experiments just to be on the safe side? (kind off sounds like the 45% that said it was harmless, don't believe that themselves?)   
So, it's like I said before they are portal's to HELL, stay away!
  Ghost1


http://paranormal.about.com/od/ouijaboards/a/aa040306.htm
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Darkone on Dec 14 2007 - 09:35PM
Yes, that was a  interesting article.  I think Ouija Boards are bad news too, I have had a very bad experiences with one once.  No more.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Jeepgirlgina on Dec 15 2007 - 06:23PM
Honestly Ouija boards have always creeped me out.  My hubby and step son want to buy one but I absolutely refused to let them have it in the house.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Maggpie on Dec 16 2007 - 06:20PM
IMO it is just bad mojo :V:  No way would I ever partake.  I would not want to tick off any spirits :V:
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Dec 17 2007 - 12:35AM
I would say that in my opinion the only spirit that would want to enter the earth thru a portal such as the Ouija Board would have to be one from the lower planes. The Upper Class as you might say...... would have no reason to try and come thru from a back door. They are pretty much happy were they are (in my opinion) and I believe that the hierarchy would be allowed to come thru the front door if they wanted to. So if you are going to insist on an experience with a Ouija Board then please at least say the protection spell.....at the very least......as with most things it is also better to be accompanied by someone who has training and experience.  Of course the best thing to do is just as Ghost1 has suggested......and Leave Them Alone!!
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Rivers on Dec 17 2007 - 11:50PM
My personal opinion of a Ouija board is simple....It makes great firewood! Just another trivia fact from the gentle folks at River's Run
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Post by: atrum somnium on Apr 07 2008 - 11:13PM
I'm not sure about what a Ouija board REALLY is. However,  I do own one (it glows in the dark, too!  :) ), and I have used it several times, both alone and with friends. It is quite interesting to see what the "board" says. It is also quite shocking, too. I recall one occasion where the "spirit" (only in quotes because I am not going to take a side on spirit VS subconscious) was a little girl that was apparently murdered by a family member... freaky stuff
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 08 2008 - 09:57AM
Did you find out who she was and who killed her and if they had gone to prison or gotten away with it? Did she say what year she had been killed? Could have been someone like Jon Benay Ramsey and you could get info on her killer. But the authorities would prolly try to pin it on you if you had info that no one else had just bcause they don't want to acknowledge things like this but then again more and more ppl are beggining to acknowledge it. Thanks for sharing with us Atrum S. :)
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: The Shadow on Apr 08 2008 - 08:24PM
Stay away from them. If you encounter something after you use one you must burn it and make sure you get rid of the ashes by sprinkling holy water on them
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: atrum somnium on Apr 10 2008 - 09:29PM
If something were to happen after using one, wouldn't more need to be done than just burning the board and "cleansing the ashes"? I do agree, though. Burning the board is definitely the first thing that should be done (so no more can get through). However, depending on WHAT the circumstances are, I'm not sure that burning the board would solve the problem in all cases. The Exorcist comes to mind...
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Apr 10 2008 - 09:38PM
If something were to happen after using one, wouldn't more need to be done than just burning the board and "cleansing the ashes"? I do agree, though. Burning the board is definitely the first thing that should be done (so no more can get through). However, depending on WHAT the circomestances are, I'm not sure that burning the board would solve the problem in all cases. The Exorcist comes to mind...


Yes, it is quite possible that  burning the board won't do much if you have "Opened the Gate"  so to speak all ready.  To be very honest with you I really wouldn't touch a Ouija board at all, I have had some very bad experiences with them as a kid.  The are very dangerous.

The funny thing is they are sold as games?   :X
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Tenbears on Apr 10 2008 - 11:48PM
But, I think it's Kewl! Real Demonic Possession from Ouija Board
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: atrum somnium on Apr 11 2008 - 04:40PM
Nice vid, Tenbears. I needed a laugh. LOL

"Tell us something". It's no wonder she got possessed. You have to be respectful to whatever entities you encounter with the Ouija board.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Tenbears on Apr 11 2008 - 08:44PM
Thanks, the jury is still out on this one...
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: atrum somnium on Apr 11 2008 - 09:46PM
Thanks, the jury is still out on this one...    ;)

In my honest opinion (coming from my own Ouija experience), I think the video is a fabrication. The planchette (or glass in the video) was moving too fast and too smoothly. Normally, there is a pause after the question is asked, and the planchette moves in a slower, jerky motion (like the characters in an old stop-motion movie). Again, that's from my own experience.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Apr 11 2008 - 09:54PM
In my honest opinion (coming from my own Ouija experience), I think the video is a fabrication. The planchette (or glass in the video) was moving too fast and too smoothly. Normally, there is a pause after the question is asked, and the planchette moves in a slower, jerky motion (like the characters in an old stop-motion movie). Again, that's from my own experience.

Yeah, there is no doubt in my mind it's quite fake too............Even shows demons and such that she is seeing in her mind?    Fake, fake....fake!    eno
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 13 2008 - 05:39PM
I have a different opinion of this. I posted this vid a long time ago in another thread. I may have even posted the online conversation that I had with the creator of the video. I chatted with one of the girls and one guy that was there. He may have been the one who recorded the video if memory serves. They really convinced me that this was real and that they are all changed by this experience. The girl who was possessed was still in therapy at the time as she has dealt with severe depression ever since. I feel sure that I posted the original version also as this was the edited version and they had added the visuals soon after it happened when the experience was still kind of new. They said that instead of being the most freaked out right after it happened .... the ones who were not the possessed one sort of thought it was cool at first but later seeing what was happening to their friend and the effect it was having on her they changed thier attitude. They sent me a copy of the unedited version and it is quite daunting. We had many online conversations and I became convinced after having all of the same doubts and being sure the video was fake.  These young ppl are truly affected by all of this from what I can tell.... which of course I could not swear an oath to after just an online relationship but I am as sure as I can be that they were serious and sincere. This never wavered thruout our many conversations.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Tenbears on Apr 16 2008 - 03:24PM
But, I think it's a total waste of time and effort...
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Apr 16 2008 - 03:44PM
Ok, now the unedited version looks quite a bit more real, why the heck did they even make that other version......That one made it look like a big joke.   On this version it does appear that this is real now, very very freaky!
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: The Shadow on Apr 16 2008 - 04:50PM
I still hate these things. I still do not understand why they sell them as games
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Apr 17 2008 - 07:19PM
To some, it's a harmless parlor game or children's toy. Others call it a tool of Satan. For still others, it is a tool for reaching the subconscious mind or the spirit world.  

A little Ouija Board History.....................

In 1891, the U.S. Patent Office awarded a patent for the Ouija Board to Elijah Bond (with Charles Kennard and William Maupin), three Baltimore businessmen. The Ouija board may not actually have been their invention - there is at least one published account of a session using an alphabet board and a planchette that appeared in the New York Tribune in 1886 - but it was Kennard who first marketed the Ouija Board to the public. His Kennard Novelty Company continued to manufacture and sell Ouija Boards until the patent and all rights were sold to the Parker Brothers game company in 1966. Parker Brothers continued to sell the Ouija Board nearly exactly as it was originally created until 1990, when it discontinued the traditional Ouija Board, and introduced a smaller, glow-in-the-dark version which is still available.

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Kennard himself, though, left the company less than a year after the patent was granted. The Kennard Novelty Company was taken over by William Fuld, a long-time employee. It was Fuld who declared that the name 'Ouija' was a combination of the French and German words for yes, in contradiction of his former boss' statement that it was the Egyptian word for 'good luck', and that the board itself had given him the name. Fuld marketed the board for years with fantastic claims of its abilities to contact the spirit world and facilitate communication with the dead. A typical ad was this one, which appeared in newspapers in 1891:


OUIJA
A WONDERFUL TALKING BOARD
Interesting and mysterious; surpasses in its results second sight, mind reading, clairvoyance;
will give intelligent answer to any question.
Proven at patent office before patent was allowed Price $1.50 .
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Jeepgirlgina on Apr 19 2008 - 01:41AM
I can't even watch the videos.  Ouija just totally scare the S**T out of me
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 20 2008 - 04:32PM
I wish I could have bought them all for 1.50 and now I could resell them.....hehehehe.



What the heck happened Gina? Qu
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Jeepgirlgina on Apr 20 2008 - 07:15PM
I wish I could have bought them all for 1.50 and now I could resell them.....hehehehe.



What the heck happened Gina? Qu


Nothing has personally happened to me.  I have just heard too many scary stories about them.  I think they are evil !!!!!
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate
Post by: Tenbears on Apr 20 2008 - 10:55PM
should we, or should we not, you decide...
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Ghost1 on Apr 20 2008 - 11:01PM
Ok, tenbears.....normally that video really wouldn't of gone with this serious discussion about the Ouija board, However since they said Ouija Board about 100 times in this video we can let it slide  :*:

On a side note, that was a good video....I forgot all about it.  :Y:
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Tenbears on Apr 21 2008 - 12:06AM
I thought it might press the envelope a little.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Cemeterydude on Jan 26 2009 - 02:21AM
i do personally think ouja boards are portals to evil. i was watching this show last night about this family who was being terrorized by this evil spirit in a black cloak. the phsycic who helped them said it all stemmed from an ouja board they had in the house. when they burnt the ouja board the spirit went away. Bye
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Jeepgirlgina on Jan 26 2009 - 07:13AM
I hate them.   There will never ever be on in my house.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Jan 26 2009 - 06:09PM
"when they burnt the ouja board the spirit went away."


One thing about an evil spirit is that it takes a good long while to know for sure if they have really gone away or if they are just catching their breath. How did they know that the spirit went away when they burned the ouija?

Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Cemeterydude on Jan 27 2009 - 12:38AM
well they stopped seeing the figure in a black cloak. and strange things stopped happening in the house. :)
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Post by: SedateYourHate on Feb 25 2009 - 02:57PM
I'm seriously rethinking ever using mine again. I haven't used them at all about 2 years, and even when I did, nothing much really happened. I got the first one when I was 11 at KB Toys, lol. The second when I was 13, at this store Sanctuary Crystals, it's not too far from Bachelors Grove. I kinda wanna keep them though. :/ At least the newer one, it's kinda pretty.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 19 2009 - 04:37PM
I'm seriously rethinking ever using mine again. I haven't used them at all about 2 years, and even when I did, nothing much really happened. I got the first one when I was 11 at KB Toys, lol. The second when I was 13, at this store Sanctuary Crystals, it's not too far from Bachelors Grove. I kinda wanna keep them though. :/ At least the newer one, it's kinda pretty.
From the sessions that an online friend of mine tapes and sends to me via Youtube.....but straight to my box......the spirits seem to like the old styles the best.  The simpler the better.  He even has one were he asked his spirit guide how it works and his spirit guide spelled out energy. From there he answered questions leading us to know that he has to have someone's finger on the glass in order to move it easily and fluidly. He has to use energy from yourself and think about were he wants the glass to go. He didn't really say why the larger and sometimes nicer looking ones were easier but the spirit guide did say on the ghost box that they all hate the new , pretty one......LOL

Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 19 2009 - 04:42PM
Sorry video was removed by the poster.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 19 2009 - 04:51PM
Sorry video was removed by poster.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: nothingtoseehere on Apr 26 2009 - 09:06PM
I'm a lurker and totally late to this party, but wanted to reply.  I believe with no uncertainty at all whatsoever that Ouija boards are bad news.  I'm not sure they're direct links to evil, but I do think that you open yourself up to evil when you use it. I have personal experience. It was awful. 

Like many, I was in college. Some chick on another floor had a board, she and it were on our floor in another girl's room, there was a hoard of us in there using it.  Four or six with their hands actually on the pointer, others of us, like myself, just observing. There was, supposedly, an evil entity that called itself "Z" coming thru, utilizing the pointer. I said, ok, guy's, g'night, and went to bed.  Later that morning, I was asked if I could keep it in my room until the owner came back for it.  Sure, I said. 

Number one rule that I did remember was never ever use the Ouija board alone.  Ever.  I'm watching TV, it's mid-day.  I'm alone.  I said, eh, what the hey.  I put the board on my lap, I put my hands on the pointer.  I said, "Is anybody there?"  And that pointer moved forcefully and all by itself right down to the letter Z like it was the most important thing on Earth.

To say I freaked would be putting it mildly.

I ran like my ass was on fire out of my room more scared than I've ever been in my life before or, frankly, since.  I told the girl to come get her stupid board, which she did.  I then proceeded to be terrified every minute of every day for a week.  I don't want to go into detail, but the end result was someone I looked up to in my convincing me I'd be protected.  Once I believed a benevolent entity out there was counteracting Z, then I slowly got better. I was a Freshman -- a young Freshman -- and it was a terrifying time. 

I absolutely believe that evil is out there to leverage users of these things via the Ouija board.  They're not evil incarnate, no. But they offer a tool for evil to manifest.
Title: Re: The Ouija Debate....Portal to evil or harmless game?
Post by: Colleen2510 on Apr 27 2009 - 02:27PM
Oh my! What a horrendous experience! I would have been terrified also. I do agree that Ouija boards are dangerous. I think they have a place but should always be taken seriously and I don't think they should be sold in toy stores so that kids think they are just a harmless game. That's what I thought when I was a kid. There are ppl who are spiritually protected by their guide and are able to use the board without fear of evil getting to them but these people didn't get to that point overnight. I'm glad that you had a friend that knew what to do and how to protect you. I don't know what I would do in that situation except pray! :praying: