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BACHELOR'S GROVE CEMETERY => Upload & discuss pictures from BACHELOR'S GROVE here. => Topic started by: scary1 on Nov 11 2009 - 04:14PM
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cher The Tall Hunched Shoulder Shadow Person photo has been *DEBUNKED* (SEE ELITERO POST FOR MORE DETAILS).
=D> Thanks to the keen eye and evaluation efforts of members elitero and DoNotBeAfraid. I must confess that in Mid-January I took a photo on the Rubio Woods path that was very similar to the comparison photo taken of the path and used by elitero and DoNotBeAfraid. I take responsibility for my error in judgment, as I didn’t post my mid-January path photo on the BGC web-site so members/lukers could review/examine for themselves. In my defense, I have reviewed all the postings and don’t see other people going back and posting retake photo’s.
In hind sight, I believe I made two errors: 1. When I analyzed my mid-January photo, I concentrated my efforts of review on the post image and compared it to the shadow person image. I shrugged off the similarities as coincidence, because the images were similar but still different. Furthermore, the snow vs. the foliage threw me off. Therefore, I deleted the mid-January photo from my camera. Unfortunately, I failed to truly examine the surrounding area similarities. In my defense, I am a relatively new member on the BGC web site. I have reviewed other posting and can't find anyone posting retake photo's on their postings. emb
2. My mid-January photo was taken on the path from the direction of someone leaving BGC. In the original photo I was certain that I took the photo on the path from the direction of someone walking towards the entrance of BGC. I truly do not remember turning around to take the photo I took of the now debunked tall hunched shouldered shadow person. Maybe these are signs of early stage Alzheimer's disease. Who knows? The three people who accompanied me can’t remember which direction I was facing when I snapped the photo (too much of a time lapse between then and now). Maybe they too are in the early Alzheimer's disease- joking. Qu
I am a relative newcomer to Rubio Woods and the BGC. Therefore, I don’t have the landscape of Rubio Woods or BGC memorized. Nor do I have any knowledge about tree growth patterns along the path, as suggested in elitero’s debunking message. I never realized this info. would be required knowledge. I have not had the opportunity to pay much attention to the landscape or memorizing my surroundings when going to the Grove area. At this point, my main concerns when visiting at Rubio/ the Grove areas have been my footing in the snow and not tripping on fallen trees/limbs (the number of obstacles depends on what time of year you visit) . I can concentrate on memorizing the surrounding landscape when the weather improves. Besides my trips to the Grove area are limited, because I live in the vicinity of 355 & 88. Traveling to Rubio Woods and Bachelors Grove Cemetery is a hike for me.
The facts are: In no way have I intentionally or unintentionally tried to perpetrate a hoax or scam on the folks viewing the BGC web site, as suggested in eliteros debunking message. I really thought I had captured a great photo. The problem was not posting my mid-January photo. Other pertinent facts to consider: I have been successfully conducting paranormal research of five years, in 7/09 I had a near death experience and Bachelor’s Grove Cemetery is one of the most paranormally active areas in the Chicago area. Simply put, my experiences have prompted me to continue to learn more about the puzzle known as of life, try to come to grips with my future demise and try to gain a better understanding of the afterlife (if possible).
So, I will continue visiting Rubio Woods and the Bachelors Grove Cemetery because they are public and free spaces for all to enjoy. I’ll continue to take photos for my records and for friends/associates to view. Fact is folks, life is short so enjoy the time you have. :s_bye2:
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Took this photo at BG on 11/1/09 (All St. Day). As we walked down the path, there was no one
else walking on path in front of us. I took random photos as we walked towards the cemetery.
(http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/scary1_2009/IMG_1098c.jpg)
(http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv45/scary1_2009/PathPhotoScaledUp2xcropped.jpg)
Please let me know your thoughts on this photo.
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That's pretty awesome if that's an apparition - it's so hard to tell sometimes though! Did you take any other pictures walking down the path? If you did and it's not in any of those, then that would be pretty sweet =D>
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Wow, that is a great picture Scary.... :Spying:
Well done!
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I took an photo before I took the picture below. I am new at posting things, I am preparing to post the
first photo I took- in that photo it appears that something is trying to appear/materialize. Give me a minute and I
will post the first photo I took.
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Wow...very interesting catch...wonder what it could be.
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Great photo can you post some more so we can compare and contrast?
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wow, what an awesome pic!
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That's an awesome pic! Looks like you got something there, it's still kind of hard to tell though. It really does look like a figure standing there, I mean you can clearly see it. Thanks for posting!
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Scary that is an awesome picture. Good capture!
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Interesting pic scary1 ... it looks eerie and to me, has an eerie "feel" to it..
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hey guys,
i took this pic at BG today and found something interesting.. the tall hunched shouldered figure is simply the wooden pole at the entrance of the turnpike trail
check it out.
DEBUNKED!
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg (http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg)
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Yeap, that's it.... A pole person
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A pole person...:lol6: that's funny... I guess there are all sorts at the grove...
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Great job DoNotBeAfraid :Y:
:41: shame it wasn't a real tall hunched shouldered figure ...
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i know, what a shame.. i always liked that pic :^(
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That was creepy! I would have kept on believing it was a spirit by the way the picture was taken. I wouldn't have guessed it was the wooden pole. Don't feel bad though because I'm sure alot of things I've seen were just normal things too! You never know with that place.
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hey guys,
i took this pic at BG today and found something interesting.. the tall hunched shouldered figure is simply the wooden pole at the entrance of the turnpike trail
check it out.
debunked!
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg (http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg)
Hey DoNot BeAfraid-
Your above comment makes sense, ONLY if I had turned around (in the direction of leaving the Grove) and took the photo. However, I took the photo as I walked do the path towards BGC. I was not alone when I took the photo I captured, I was with three other individuals who can verify the fact of which direction I was facing when I shot the photo. Several visits after I captured the image of the hunched shadow person picture, then and only then did I start to take pictures on the trail leading out of BGC. I too noticed a similarity, but if you compare the two photos the photos are different. I stand by my photos. All I can say to you is the original capture is the real deal. Whether you or anyone else choose to deny it, that is your option. I don't get off scamming people with faked photos- I have better things to do with my time. WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF FAKING MYSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE OUT?
There is an invitation posted on this web site for folks to post their interesting photos caputred at BGC. So that is what I have been doing. However, my photos have been seriously questioned and critIqued to the point that now people in the group are calling the photo a hoax. I have been asked to produce two and three photos of the same area or to drive back to BGC to retake photos of the same area for the purpose of verification (which I did). I find it interesting, that in all the existing postings on this web site I have not found any other requests being made to other photographers. What's up with that?
It's unfortunate that people in this group can't take the photos I posted for what they are; fact not fabrication. I must ask: What do I have to gain by faking photos of BGC? I think I will continue to go to BGC and take amazing photo's, but my photos will no longer shared on this web site.
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I beg to differ, Scary1.
(http://michonmedia.com/truth.png)
I pointed out several similarities between the two.
Blue- Same Beehive, or birdsnest, or whatever that object is in the tree.
Green- Notice the rope hanging down from the pole in each image.
Red- The same tree is bending outwards.
Yellow- I am not sure if this is a branch, or an object in the tree, but it is in the same position in both pictures.
Purple- Same sized and shaped horizonal spikey looking branch.
I am sure a few more things can be pointed out by anyone with a sharp eye.
(http://michonmedia.com/truth2.png)
The two poles/objects side by side. I can see how it looks like feet in the original image, but notice the bright green object in front of the pole, so it hides about half of the very bottom portion of it, which makes it look like someone in a trenchcoat.
And when you are walking into The Grove, aren't the trees around there considerably taller? In both images, it looks like you are walking towards an open area (Midlothian Tpk).
I will say this again, I love viewing ghost pictures, but I would MUCH rather see a real one then get tricked by one that is fake, intentional or not.
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elitero:
You have done an outstanding job with your evaluation of the two photos. cher I plan on going back to the Grove again to take more photos, so I can evaluate the surroundings first hand. I will tell you that I have been absolutely blown away by some of the outstanding paranormal photos that have been captured at the Grove. I’ll let you know my findings one way or the other. Believe me, whatever the outcome I can't stress enough: it has NEVER been my intent to purposely deceive anyone with the photos I have posted on this web site. cho
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Scary.... I for one don't think that you did that intentionally. I hope that elerito didn't mean to say that either. I think ppl forget how much emotion is attached to a "paranormal" photo when it is our own. When we are the one that took it and we were there and we believe with all of our heart that it's paranormal. It takes a lot for one of us to let go of that high feeling. I think that you have done it with grace even though you still weren't completely convinced that he was right you took a step back and said hmmm.....maybe....let me check into this a little more. I know how it feels to have to do that and it's not easy. I just want to say that I enjoy having you at this forum and hope that you stick around for a long time and continue to add your experiences and photos no matter what anyone else says about them. bo
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hey scary,
though im almost positive that your picture is nothing paranormal (just the same scene as mine), i also DO NOT think that you intentionally faked the photo. nobody was accusing you of it. it was a matter of coincidence that i took the picture and it turned out to be identical to yours, i didnt even realize it until i was looking through my photos at home. things happen, like taking so many pictures that you forget where a lot of them were taken. this was my last picture i took that day and it was as we were walking back towards the road and leaving BG.
keep posting your pics here, i like looking at any that have a possibility of being paranormal. like i said, i only noticed that my picture looked like the one in the "tall haunched shadow person" thread when i was viewing it at home on the compuer, and no one is purposely trying to prove your photos false. no harm done.
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Sorry if my post sounded angry, that wasn't my intention here at all.
I just simply wanted to show what I found between the two images. I am very passionate for finding the truth. I know I posted a good amount of pictures here with numerous anomalies, but I don't like to say it is this, it is that, etc. I simply record information, remember the situation, then tell it here. I try to be open minded though and listen to what others say about my pictures. I would rather have one good REAL picture than 1000 looking fake images. And when I say that, I didn't mean you were doing it intentionally. I have taken a fair amount of pictures, only then to realize the things I thought were orbs were dust, or mist, so I know the feeling of disappointment.
Again, my apologies. I will say I was a bit disappointed too when I found this wasn't real, this was one of my favorite pictures, and sent it to a few people when convincing them to go with me to The Grove. :wink:
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To elitero and DoNotBeAfraid-
I also liked the now debunked photo of the shadow person photo. I really thought I captured something there. It's very disappointing, oh well. Kudos to both of you! You did a very thorough job of debunking. =D>
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i still like the picture...........good shot!!
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First time poster here! Having lived 5 minutes away from Bachelor's Grove Cemetery for most of my life and knowing about since I was a teenager a "few" years ago, I finally ventured out there last month and then a few weeks ago.
I have to admit that I took a very similar "Tall Hunch Shouldered Shadow Person" picture myself. (Actually it was two pictures.) I was so freaked out by the thought that I had actually caught something in a photo that I knew wasn't there at the time. I'm a chicken and wasn't going to post any of my questionable photos but I am SO GLAD to see this thread because at least I know what I am looking at and when I go out for another visit the week of Thanksgiving, I will know what to look for (and not mistake for an apparition) in future photos.
Thanks!
Izzy
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hey guys,
i took this pic at BG today and found something interesting.. the tall hunched shouldered figure is simply the wooden pole at the entrance of the turnpike trail
check it out.
debunked!
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg (http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/hehey3213/079.jpg)
Hey DoNot BeAfraid-
Your above comment makes sense, ONLY if I had turned around (in the direction of leaving the Grove) and took the photo. However, I took the photo as I walked do the path towards BGC. I was not alone when I took the photo I captured, I was with three other individuals who can verify the fact of which direction I was facing when I shot the photo. Several visits after I captured the image of the hunched shadow person picture, then and only then did I start to take pictures on the trail leading out of BGC. I too noticed a similarity, but if you compare the two photos the photos are different. I stand by my photos. All I can say to you is the original capture is the real deal. Whether you or anyone else choose to deny it, that is your option. I don't get off scamming people with faked photos- I have better things to do with my time. WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF FAKING MYSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE OUT?
There is an invitation posted on this web site for folks to post their interesting photos caputred at BGC. So that is what I have been doing. However, my photos have been seriously questioned and critIqued to the point that now people in the group are calling the photo a hoax. I have been asked to produce two and three photos of the same area or to drive back to BGC to retake photos of the same area for the purpose of verification (which I did). I find it interesting, that in all the existing postings on this web site I have not found any other requests being made to other photographers. What's up with that?
It's unfortunate that people in this group can't take the photos I posted for what they are; fact not fabrication. I must ask: What do I have to gain by faking photos of BGC? I think I will continue to go to BGC and take amazing photo's, but my photos will no longer shared on this web site.
To give my opinion. People at this forum jump for nothing most of the time. People will zoom in and look so ridiculously hard at photo's to find a "face", or an "image" that most of the time, is either light on the trees/weeds, the way the weeds/grass is positioned, or something that just isn't there. Yes, there are some things at BG, and yes, some people get great photo's. However, this forum has a LOT of crap that people upload and claim is something. I laugh every time I see a new post on a "new" demon, or "ghost dog". Give me a break, lol
Yet when someone like you uploads something that most of us can actually see, don't need to zoom in on, or actually looks legit, it gets questioned by absolutely everyone. It makes no sense at all.
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To give my opinion. People at this forum jump for nothing most of the time. People will zoom in and look so ridiculously hard at photo's to find a "face", or an "image" that most of the time, is either light on the trees/weeds, the way the weeds/grass is positioned, or something that just isn't there. Yes, there are some things at BG, and yes, some people get great photo's. However, this forum has a LOT of crap that people upload and claim is something. I laugh every time I see a new post on a "new" demon, or "ghost dog". Give me a break, lol
Yet when someone like you uploads something that most of us can actually see, don't need to zoom in on, or actually looks legit, it gets questioned by absolutely everyone. It makes no sense at all.
You know why that is? Because some people (or at least I) don't waste my time commenting on all those "face in the trees" pictures... They're nothing. In almost every picture you can see "faces" or something else in the surroundings, and it's absolutely nothing. I agree that most of peoples' "paranormal" photos are crap, and that there are also some really good pictures, such as some of the one's that contain full apparitions, the blue orbs, the wolf, some of the mists, etc.
But no one questioned this photo until I found out it was the wooden pole at the entrance to the woods. I always thought it was it was a great picture, but then i took a similar photo with absolutely no intention of trying to prove the tall hunched shadow person wrong. It was completely accidental. So of course I posted it here to inform everyone else.
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you know, i read all this stuff and it sounds like people are pissed off. this is a public forum and it welcomes comments and pictures.........if you dont want comments on your pictures (good or bad) don't post.......and i must be making a lot of people laugh cause i've posted a lot of pics with what i thought were faces in them!!!!!!
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you know, i read all this stuff and it sounds like people are pissed off. this is a public forum and it welcomes comments and pictures.........if you dont want comments on your pictures (good or bad) don't post.......and i must be making a lot of people laugh cause i've posted a lot of pics with what i thought were faces in them!!!!!!
Sorry about the harsh words andy, I meant no disrespect toward you. I was just trying to explain that some people don't question those face photos because they think those types of photos contain nothing paranormal and don't bother commenting.